Swindon 8F mystery photograph
article by: Ian Crowder
posted on: 01 April 2010
updated on: 15 May 2010

Badly damaged picture found in an outhouse of an 8F 2-8-0 which has most definitely been ‘Swindonised’. But why? And when? (Photograph from the late Martin A E Willis)

It's quite widely known that many of Sir William Stanier's
versatile LMS heavy freight 8F class were built by contractors,
particularly to meet the war effort and indeed, 80 were constructed
by the Great Western Railway at Swindon. However, evidence
has come to light in the shape of some pencilled notes from a works
foreman at the time and the accompanying rather badly damaged
photograph, that Swindon attempted to impose GWR practice on the
8Fs they built. They did so to the extent that the first of
the series, no. 8400, seems to have been turned out with a
'Swindonised' boiler. Stanier of course, was once assistant
works manager to G J Churchward at Swindon and his own LMS boilers
were heavily influenced by Swindon practice. But Stanier and
the Railway Executive Committee, who ordered the locomotives,
were apparently far from amused at such extravagancies during
a time of wartime austerity and at what might after all, have
simply been a practical joke that badly backfired. On top of
that, the engine appears to have a Swindon cabside
number.
The picture is clearly an 8F but the locomotive sports GWR-style
safety valves and bonnet as well as a copper-capped chimney, and
the number 8400 on a GWR cabside plate (in fact, a number later to
be carried by a Hawksworth pannier tank).
It was provided by Alan Greer of STEAM at Swindon, who explains:
"I was exploring a cardboard box containing some old documents,
dockets, drawings and pictures left to the Museum from the family
of a one Martin A E Willis who was a foreman in the boiler shop at
Swindon works during the war. Unfortunately the box had been
kept in a leaking outhouse and had suffered badly from water, mould
and rodent damage and it was a job to separate some of the papers,
many of which were written in fountain pen ink and were almost
indecipherable. The photographs were of locos and some
armaments produced during the war years and these also were badly
stained and damaged. But there was one picture separately
folded up in an envelope and I was astonished to see once it was
unfolded, that it was an LMS 8F that looked as if it had a Swindon
boiler.
"There was a piece of paper with a pencilled note in the
envelope, dated 1st April 1943. From what I could
read it said the engine was only in this guise for a few days
before being fitted with its proper boiler and this is the only
picture of it. The note goes on to say: 'Got into a lot of
trouble from Mr. Stanier and some top brass from the Railway
Executive came down from London to give us a real carpeting.
Ivan [thought to be the assistant works photographer Ivan Bellows]
was ordered to destroy the negative and we were told to keep
shut-up about it. But he given (sic) it to me because I'm betrothed
to Angela [believed to be the photographer's sister or cousin] but
told me to burn it'."
Alan adds: "Clearly he never did as he was told. There
were rumours but now we have this vital evidence with the picture
and Willis's pencilled notes of explanation."
The Churchill 8F Locomotive Group, which is restoring former
Turkish Stanier 8F 2-8-0 no. 8274 at Toddington will turn it out
for GWR175 as one of the Swindon-built examples, but have no plans
to 'Swindonise' their engine in this way.
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